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Wait... it's ... Starbuck?!~
 

Keep the posts coming! Good stuff!
 

What, are they all going to commit suicide? What's up with that?
 

It's a body count type of night
 

Pretty decent episode tonight. To be honest the last season and a half I was losing interest. Maybe the new setting on earth will liven things up.
 

That episode was, to be a geek, fraking awesome! How can you question suicidal tendencies? For 3 years you barely stay alive looking for your last salvation..Earth. You find it and it is anything but your last salvation. Yeah...you would be happy. By the way, that was sarcasm. I figured I needed to explain it, since some seem to need everything spelled out for them.
 

AAAh yeah he's a homo -- you didn't realize that the 13th colony was all boys????
 

Dualla commits suicide cuz she's a Cylon too. When she picks up the jacks from the dirt, she remembers her childhood back on "Earth". They are ALL CYLONS, Helen, Starbuck... ALL are CYLONS....ALL are CYLONS....
 

I'm with Ray . . . I don't think Helen is the 5th, I think they're all the 5th. But I don't know how that's possible. Starbuck's existence obviously needs some explanation.
 

Maybe the entire series has been a dream. Like that one season of "Dallas."
 

I had been thinking based on last night's episode that they are all cylons. What does everyone else think?

Also, have a question. Don't understand how 20th century American music is supposed to have survived all that time and be a part of their musical history there on another planet - the hendrix music? Can someone explain the history and how the humans came to leave earth in the first place.
 

I thought the choice of "All Along the Watchtower" was goofy in the context of the series. Unless that music is a critical part of the storyline -- i.e., Hendrix secretly created cylons at Electric Lady Studios and Noel Redding was the first one -- they would have been better off creating new music for the episode. Or at least use classical music. I thought the choice was the result of "Wouldn't it be cool to use Hendrix in this series?" thinking. Again, unless it's part of the storyline, I think it was a goofy choice.
 

What a mess. We can't tell live Cylons from humans but we can tell the difference from bones?

To all of you trying to guess what is going on, it doesn't matter, Moore pretty much states he makes it up as he goes along.

BTW, Adama is the worst commander known to the military.
 

a) All Along the Watchtower is a Bob Dylan song. I think it was a really cheesey move to include it.

b) Gay is 'icky'? Are you all in 5th grade?

c) After seeing that Ellen might be the '5th' cylon, I agree with some of you that everyone might be a cylon. Perhaps the original cylons invented the resurrection hub and then it didn't matter that they annihilated each other. Or there were different factions with different goals like the cylons we've seen so far.
 

Oh, and I thought it was a great episode. The last part of season four took forever to go anywhere.
 

"All Along the Watchtower" is a Bob Dylan song in a similar way that "I Did It My Way" is a Paul Anka song or "Blinded By the Light" is Bruce Springsteen song or...well, you get the picture.

That said, I was kind of waiting for someone to "impress" us with the knowledge that Dylan wrote it.
 

I think the planet that they found is a Cylon ruse. The humans would all be so bummed out that they would all kill themselves. They have regrouped and I believe that they will find the real earth. And what is up with Starbuck?
 

I enjoyed this episode. Ellen as the last of the final five makes more sense the longer I think of it. I don't expect any red herrings - there's only nine more episodes left to wrap things up.
 

"Starbuck's existence obviously needs some explanation" - Short answer: she's a clone.

"Gay is 'icky'? Are you all in 5th grade?" - homophobes.

I thought it was a great episode. Well done by the writers.
 

1) It's stated right from the miniseries that the Cylon duplication of humans is largely superficial and that they can snuff them out by screening for "synthetic chemical combinations." Hence Baltar's Cylon detector from Season 1. Where have you been?
2) Kara being a clone wouldn't explain how her ship and body wound up on Earth when both went into a gas giant light-years away. Also, cloning sounds like too much the kind of trope this series has so far thus avoided, so given the supernatural aspects surrounding her (such as having a destiny), I simply doubt it.
3) Who's this "Helen" some of you are talking about? Do you mean Helena Cain or Ellen Tigh? Please learn the correct names or simply don't bother.
 

Haha, okay, I have to respond to the prior comment.

Me, I'm just a casual fan. I still can't tell you the name of the mechanic dude or his wife who recently got jettisoned out the airlock. I enjoy the series but I don't obsess over it.

About "Helen" -- maybe that's not her name, but perhaps Tigh is sloppy in pronouncing it. (He is drunk a lot, you know.) Because it sounds like "Helen" to me, too!

I guess I'm saying I don't mind if people get a name or theory wrong once in a while. To them, I say, "keep bothering," I enjoy your thoughts and opinions and predictions.
 

after watching the latest episode i'm a bit gobsmacked. Trouble is i think theres too much emphasis on this final cylon business. The ones they have found don't appear all that important (as yet)
I'm more intrigued by how the 13th colony turned out to be cylons and skin jobs over such a time period. This is going to take a lot of explaining. The show is complex but put me right if i hash up here.
The merry go round of things happening over and over again and the hybrids knowing the exact course of events is disquieting in these times of quantum unceetainty and chaos theory. The future should not be predictable at all-look at the stock market crash and weather forecasting! The only way for this to pan out in a destiny kind of way is its just human perception of time and our interpretation of it. However this does not explain the logic that the hybrids know what is going to happen. We are then left with the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics which to some means that the observer somehow collapses the wave function to become reality. Therefore the past appears like it is linear whereas the future has many possibilities still- until the wave is collapsed in the next set of choices. The past therefore appears set -the future cannot be, there are too many variables.
The whole set up would work in a classical Newtonion physics or relativity framework(if you ignore quantum mechanics (at your peril) According to einstein past present and future exist all at the same moment. Time merely stops everything happening at once! Is anyone still here with me? To try and cut to the quick A) the hybrids somehow hook up into the higher dimensional framework (because they can calculate hyperspace jumps) so it maybe is feasible for them to CHOOSE from the myriad of universe choices/possibilities/wave functions which steers an apparent linear course for the story. They therefore can ascertain the future events based on the choices they make. These choices are past down to the cylons because they revere the hybrids and see them as prophets/visionaries. Or in a metaphorical sense the big idea behind it all (ie the plan)The cylons still have to interpret the plan as do the humans, because they don't have the evolutionary or perceptual abilities to really work it out.
Somehow the merry go round has to be self perpetuating like a time paradox-it cannot be truly broken in a philosophical sense. Therefore the 13 colonies have to be in a cyclical cause and effectof events one causing the events of the other ultimately. Adama after episode 4.13 states that they like the colonies before must seek a new path and found new colonies eventually. They do have the survivors of the 12 colonies after all. Either they end up founding themselves at the beginning or found a new set of colonies which does not learn by its mistakes. Either way the same story ensues over time.
i'm sorry i have a huge headache now i will get back to you all in due course.
 

1. what is Starbuck?
a clone is would be a cliche, though there would have been plenty of chance for the cylons to grab her DNA
when she was captive way back in series 2. Also on new Caprica in series 3. Not much hint of this from the cylons though, especially the one who is fixated on her. He seem repulsed when they found the body.

It's more likely she is a cylon to be honest. If this show goes the supernatural explanation route is the time i stop watching it. I hate that kind of non rational bullshit.

The sky adverts appear to have Bill Adama in an airlock with a blindfold and white patch over his heart like he's in a firing squad. The next episode is about insurrection so maybe its tied in with that- or he's believed to be a cylon.

The cylons don't appear to have a clue what is going on either.

Why would the cylons want to find earth anyway?

The centurions are going to revolt against their skin job masters pretty soon. Its all being set up for it.

Cannot get my head around the 13th colony being cylon inhabited.

I hope they've got this final cylon thing out of the way now and we can just get on with the story.

Gator being gay should not bother anyone, hell this show is all about prejudice, racism and intolerance. Someone is sure missing the point here.

I think using the idea of becoming what you most hate is a good one ie human finding out he is a cylon, it certainly makes you think about these issues? no?

The religious stuff is taking a back seat again this episode, thank goodness. I find it way overplayed and romanticised. Though the contrast with this bleak nihilistic episode is all the more poignant for it overall.
 

Thank goodness they aren't letting the gay stuff ruin this series. I find it way overplayed and romanticized.

Give us more spirituality. And less man on man kissing. If they want to placate the homosexual viewers, feature Grace Park and Tricia Helfer in the same-sex scenes.