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Saturday, October 07, 2006

Season 3, Occupation, Precipice

Apollo is fat. (That's fat and not phat). I like fat Apollo better than buff Apollo.

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Has this show jumped the shark? The writers are using current events in the Middle East as the source for their material, but putting the humans in the position of being the terrorists. The humans even resort to suicide bombings.

Terrorist tactics only work against the United States and Israel because we're too good to wipe all of them out. The Cylons, on the other hand, had no problems with destroying twenty billion humans, why wouldn't they destroy the remaining fifty thousand?

Terrorism also requires that the side being terrorized cares about dying. But the Cylons don't care if they die. They just get reincarnated into a new body.

Why are people so pissed if the Cylons "massacre" two hundred humans? Hello McFly! The Cylons already massacred twenty billion.

I don't think this storyline works at all.

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Colonel Tigh looks good with a beard.

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Do you think that Laura Roslyn is dead finally?


Comments:
No way will they kill off Laura; the show's writers seem to feel they need a "spiritual," International-House-coffee character. Plus she's the only middle-aged woman except for the slutty blond one.
 
Wow... I'm amazed that the politics of BSG can so neatly and tidily be split into good/bad right/left black/white. Just like the real world!
 
When will iTunes post the first episode of season 3 of Battlestar Galactica?
 
We have a role reversal. The Cylons were the insurgents, now the humans. Understand this, the suicide bombings were directed at the Cylons and those cooperating with the Cylons. This "police force" is not innocent bystandards. They are cooperating with the enemy. The line gets drawn when a bombing is done in a public place with noncombatants. In today's situation, suicide bombings are meant to kill civilians, women, children, etc, etc. You cannot place the humans in the position of radical muslims. Not yet anyway. The Cylons still have the radical religious agenda.
 
You missed the subtleties of the plot. I think you have interpreted the terrorist metaphor too broadly. It has nothing to do with general Middle East terrorists’ logic, morality and tactics; it is the metaphor for the Iraq (occupation) and our insurgent difficulties.

We (Cylons) don't want to kill the people we now occupy; we want to convert them into our “system”. In the case of BSG New Caprica, insurgent terrorism is used to disrupt and dissuade, especially the human collaborators, not necessarily to “kill” the Cylons. Also for pure revenge and maybe distract the Cylons for a Galactica rescue mission.

Anyway the entire story line for BSG is to parallel the controversial issues we face on Earth.

BTW- I think Gaius Baltar is a Cylon and he doesn't know it. Number 6 resurrected him after he was killed in the opening nuclear attack on Kobol. (remember when the blast wave hit his house; low probablilty of a human surviving.) Number 6 always did love him. It may explain why she is in his Cylon head all the time. That's my theory for now.
 
The story line has more of a World War 2 aspect to it with the humans being the French (with collaborators--new caprica police and others such as Balater; and the resistance).

The New Caprican police reminds me of the Jews the Nazi's tapped to be police to police the ghettos and turn over the 'resistance' and they often used brutality.

The ending of "Precipice" was a scene directly from the great WWII film, "The Great Escape." In the film, the escaped POWs were taken off the trucks for a '5-minute break' only to be gunned down by Nazi soldiers.




You should brush up on your history, before you start blasting a story line.

Similar today's events? Yeah, sure. But it also transcends today's issues and goes back to wars of past.
 
I must have missed the suicide bombers in occupied France during WWII, although they did have the usual resistance bombings and assassinations. There were firing squads at that time, something that we do not do in Iraq.

I doubt the writers of BSG are interested in WWII history when they are writing the plot. Very few people from that era are alive and they would not watch show anyway. Young people don't know their history, so I am pretty sure the writers are writing for modern world events.
 
I knew this day would come. The day you woke the fuck up and understood what this series was about from the beginning. And, of course, instead mistakenly thought they jumped the shark.
 
I watched the Premier and I am very upset with the show to allow politics to guide the story of the show so much. I have watched the show since the begining. My wife watched it and she said " she was wathing the Iraq War on the Sci Fi channel. I really hop the writes make a quick change away from politics and get back to the Battlestar we all love.
 
Jumped the shark? I think the show is getting better, more drama/controversy, and less sci-fi nerdy stuff. I like the nerdy stuff but it does not appeal to the masses.
 
I doubt the writers of BSG are interested in WWII history when they are writing the plot. Very few people from that era are alive and they would not watch show anyway. Young people don't know their history, so I am pretty sure the writers are writing for modern world events.

Based on many, many comments Moore's made on his blog and various interviews (including this one) you're absolutely wrong about this. Vietnam and Vichy France are specifically cited as influences, and IIRC, the podcast mentions that one of the writers was fixated on a Roman occupation that happened 2000 years ago.

As for your blanket condemnation that young people don't know their history, you're assuming that A) the BSG audience is primarily young people, and B) even if average US history test scores are not the greatest, there aren't some young people who still do know Himmlers from their Hitlers. I'd say both assumptions are faulty.
 
Further, who says that the only reason that an author would use historical source material would be because it would appeal to the knowledge of those events by the viewers?

Writers seek to tell a story, and aren't going to use inspirations that are only obvious to their viewers.

And yes, there are clear parallels to current world events in the recent episodes (and, indeed, in the "Battlestar we love" (as someone put it) in seasons 1 and 2), and a few instances those parallels have been a bit too obvious (making me think more about the news than the story on the screen).

However, that doesn't mean that all the parallels are meant to be perfect (indeed, they aren't).

First off: note that most of the humans find the suicide bombing technique to be morally abhorrent. Further, the usage of suicide bombers have been military in nature, not for pure terror--although Tigh seems to be planning such attacks.

It isn't hard to see Tigh as being willing to do whatever it takes to win--or, at least, to hurt the Cylons.

And I would agree: there is a clear element of the French underground here and I, too, was struck by the homage to the WWII movie "The Great Escape" at the end of the second episode.

There are also parallels in the second episode to Latin American dictatorships in Chile, Brazil and Argentina where nighttime raids were made to round up suspected subversives and simply "disappearing" them and subjecting them to torture/execution.

Those who see only Iraq here are missing a lot.
 
I just got linked to this site from dailykos.com , i love battlestar galactica, and i love season 3! It's awesome the writers make the parallel to the American Invasion and Occupation of Iraq to the Cylon's occupation force.

I also like how the show has shown the two sides relying on religon to justify their actions, again paralleling current events.

It sounds like the writer of this blog is pretty rightwing, and was crushed to hear the 3rd season plot, but maybe the writers of the show will turn it around for him and at the end of this season, have starbuck look at the camera and say "vote republican or the terrorists win."
 
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