GALACTICA

That was a very good episode. It doesn't make much sense why they let their defenses down so much. That part seemed rather lame. But of course... Baltar didn't let me down one bit.

Hehe don't blame me I voted for Rosalyn...
 

incredible episode. i think that year on new caprica was baltar dreaming. thoughts?
 

I don't think he was dreaming...that would be too predictable. I think the reduction of the defenses seems very human. Most people just want to live and believe things are safe…but who knows.

But very good episode and makes October a VERY long time away.
 

Adama's flippant attitude toward the possibility of Cylons returning seemed odd given the fact that he thought they were coming back even before the original attack. At first I also thought that it seemed too predictable. But it just doesn't make sense that Moore would all of a sudden move so fast in time after going so slow.
 

I usually try to keep my expectations to a minimum. I just expect the show to be great. I could not expect the direction they just took the show. Wow! The whole episode felt wrong. Wrong in the sense that the humans made all the wrong decisions. Their desperate situation just got more desperate. I have been saying all along that we were going to see Baltar's real treason.
 

I think that season 3 will continue from the regular storyline and not from the "1 year from now" storeyline. We know what happens, but it's how we got there. Also, anyone notice that Tigh and Adama each smoked cigarettes. I don't remember either doing that before. What's that about?
 

It's not a dream - listen to Ron Moore's podcast. They really did take a leap forward one year, and Season 3 will pick up where we left off, but it WILL as always go back and fill in the gaps of the past year with flashbacks.
 

palaemon:Also, anyone notice that Tigh and Adama each smoked cigarettes

I think they are smoking cigarettes now because they either became bored stiff or they are trying to push themselves towards death. Didn't Adama take the filter off of his before smoking it?

What I like to know is... how come an advanced civilization like theirs has to live in a tent city? Even crude brick buildings is better than a tent for crying out loud.

This is just plain silly...
 

It was a good choice to fast forward that year. Who would want to see episode after episode of the humans slowly melting away at the core under Baltar's reign? Also- imagine a season without any Cylons- how boring. It will be intersting to see how the humans get back on course for Earth.
 

Holy cow, have you SEEN the response to this around the Web? I mean, obviously the producers meant this to be an indictment against Bush, but everyone is taking the opposite view! Baltar is Gore? Or Kerry, depending on who's posting? The Cylons are Muslims, apparently? And here I thought it was "just a TV show."
 

Purlock,

This show has reflected issue of today throughout its history. The reason why Baltar is not being compared to Bush, is because Bush is not a lay-your-arms-down kind of guy. Gore and Kerry have had more of a "let's be friends with the terrorist" attitude. This show overall has not been a slanted(liberal v. conservative) show. The show faces the issues for what they are.
 

Did anyone notice the numbers? The population on New Caprica seems to have dropped 10,000 to 20,000 from the population of the fleet.
 

The moment I finished watching this I started wondering: when does the new season begin?!?! Does anyone know? Probably not for like a year or something, but I just thought I'd ask. :(
PS
GREAT EPISODES! I didn't think it was possible for me to hate Boltar any more than I already did, but....
 

msspurlock:

Trying to be objective... I have to admit I cannot quite see how Baltar is Bush here. Remember when the other number 6 cylon was being tortured and Baltar felt sorry for her? Bush is not presented by the left-wing as being soft on torture is he?

And look at how Baltar had women scantily clothed hanging around the Presidential office. We never hear anyone accuse this of Bush but certainly President Clinton had this kind of um... reputation.

I am not bashing the left nor the right here so don't flame me for it. I just think people are reading too much into this... I don't think this story is a "left" vs. "right" or Bush vs. Gore/Kerry.

However... I do plan now to go read some more blogs on this...
 

Right. I felt Roslin became more "Bush-like" than Baltar.

Roslin became the hard-a$$ who advocated torture and execution of cylons ("Throw him out the airlock"). Roslin has become more hardline and Roslin first (then eventually Baltar) was the one who said as being president she doen't have to explain herself. Roslin said a familiar quote of "We don't negotiate with terriorists." I was Roslin who eventually became anti-abortion while Baltar was still pro-choice.
 

Anonymous said:Right. I felt Roslin became more "Bush-like" than Baltar.


I don't disagree with your points at all. They all seem valid. But I have read where Ronald Moore said that he and most of his writers are "liberals" but that the writing doesn't attempt to make direct analogies to the war on terror or current events.

I think if anything that seems to be the case with this series...
 

OI!! Does anyone know when the new series comes out? Thanks!!
 

I think that the new season comes out in Octoper...
Too long to wait...
 

Ian:

It is definately October.
 

This was a great episode! It moved fast, it took unexpected spins, and it dared to push characters into new and difficult situations. I will give Ron Moore and David Eick credit for that kind of initiative.

I do think that Season 3 will kick off devoted to an insurgency and fighting the Cylon occupation just to get a ragtag Fleet back together. It would be disappointing and unexpected if they did this in a 2 or 3 episode arc; from a writer's standpoint, they needed time to distance themselves from the whole "Let's Find Earth" mission. This kind of departure on New Caprica was needed, otherwise how long could they milk that finding-Earth plotline before the viewing masses would rise up and demand a payoff?

I agree with the post about living in tents; it was clear that New Caprica had raw materials, it makes no sense that the whole place looks like one giant flea market.

Yes, Baltar screwed up, again, and big. I don't see why as President he couldn't have just tabled the damn idea of permanent settlement. He's supposed to be a scientist, after all. Ego did him in. I'm still rooting for him, though. For some strange reason, maybe the romantic fatalist in me, I want to see him reunite with his Original Six Babe and watch love a-blossom.

Roslyn, ah, Roslyn, and her new toady, Tori. Election-fixing, baby-stealing, coverup-fomenting, let-me-redeem-my-sorry-ass-by-going-back-to teaching freak. After she tells Baltar in the debates to "go frack" himself, she had the gall to ask for a sit-down and rationally set aside the permanent settlement thing. That was the wedge issue for the voters, Baltar was right to scoff at her proposal. I think he should have just 86'd the idea after he'd won, though.

The population drop noted in another post is probably because that nuclear explosion wiped out a hell of a lot of humans. It wasn't New Caprica that did it, it was the bomb.

Baltar surrendering at that point, I think it's more about strategy, and hooking back up with his Original Six Babe. Glad to see also that Chief Tyrol and Callie finally hooked up, too, with a little engineer on the way.

Starbuck and Anderson married, didn't like that. She clearly still has feelings for Lee, and is keeping Anderson around the way you'd keep a Chia-pet. Wasn't clear if Lee and Dualla were still an item, I don't think they were, with the whole chain of command thing.

All in all, this finale rocked! But Season 3 is the series-maker/series-breaker. The last time I saw the insertion of a 1-year fast-forward in the plot, it spelled the beginning of the end for "Alias" on ABC...
 

It's a good thing I don't own a firearm. When the season finale ended, and heard, "To be continued in October."; I woulda shot my tv. Great episode. About the question of the population; the nuclear bomb would have cleared out a few...but I think that there were still a few ships left in the fleet (maybe some spacers not too comfy in an atmosphere). I do agree that next season is a make or break season. Let's just hope they don't bomb like the original series did when they tried to revive the show by finding Earth (like replacing Apollo and Starbuck with Coy and Vance, or something.). Cross your fingers and wait to see what the future brings.
 

Absence does not make the heart grow fonder, in my opinion. A seven month break between seasons may kill this show, regardless of how they proceed with the story line.
 

i would like to coment on what this guy said :

Wow! The whole episode felt wrong. Wrong in the sense that the humans made all the wrong decisions. Their desperate situation just got more desperate. I have been saying all along that we were going to see Baltar's real treason.


My response:
Since the first eposide have the humans ever made a correct decision? I fail to think of any. I've been saying it on these boards a long time, we do not have a clear answer if the humans are the actually "good guys".
Then Baltar's treason is this? The population voted for him, and they only voted for him because of this one issue. How is it Baltars fault when the whole human race decided on this course of action!!!!
 

Amazing episode. I see Baltar as being this decade's Londo Molari - a very flawed being who allows his grief to control his decisions.

As for the tent city - yea, I wondered about that - but the great thing about Battlestar is that it is not the latter day Trek's. There's no replicators to do the manufacturing. Right now, their first priority has to be towards food - the houses can come later.

October is a very, very long ways away.
 

Anonymous said:Then Baltar's treason is this? The population voted for him, and they only voted for him because of this one issue. How is it Baltars fault when the whole human race decided on this course of action!!!!


Well Baltar was given a choice to table the idea of settling the planet and wait until after the election. Rosalyn was right, making this decision during an election was a very bad idea and Baltar knew that. But in the end, Baltar's greed for power got the best of him.
 

Thanks d.m.!! October is a long way away indeed...

what a minute, October!!??! That didn't even register until just right now. That is miles away! Is there not enough support for Battlestar for them to continue earlier?!?! I think Battlestar is cool as hell, but does anyone know if its ratings suck?
 

Ian:
I do not know of the source for the ratings for BSG but I think it is rather popular here in the US for the SciFi channel because it is part of the "SciFi Friday" lineup. I believe it is also rather popular overseas in the same sense that Stargate has also been popular there as well.

Yes, October is a long ways off and I get the impression that this blog may be rather vacant for a while unless our host decides to post news and other information on a weekly basis.
 

If Stargate can make it and spin off two separate shows the Battlestar can make it. I've waited since the 70's to see more Battlestar and believe that this is the best Sci-fi since Babloyn 5. And I'm a Star Trek Fan since the first show in the mid 60's. Yes I'm an old geak engineer. Battlestar ROCKS!
 

For everyone's information, Battlestar is not that popular around the world sadly. I live in Australia, and the second season doesn't even look like starting yet with " scattered " let alone the rest. Not 1 scrap of advertising or anything.... not that it has stopped me from watching up to pegasus. Anyway i like Battlestar and i think it should be in Australia ( except we have no sci fi channel) but hey, not much i can do except watch the blogs and get the DVD's when they come out or somebody who tapes BSG sells.....
 

Hey Aussie. It is in the UK and at one point I think they were ahead of US in showing the episodes. Sky One shows them and you can check out their website here: http://www.skyone.co.uk/programmes/battlestar/episodeguide.aspx
 

"Rosalyn was right, making this decision during an election was a very bad idea and Baltar knew that."

Wrong. Baltar is a "mad scientist" and a dishonest politician (as is Rosalyn, but for different reasons), but he was right to reject Rosalyn's overture. What is democracy all about if not to allow people to use the electoral process to express their preferences? To say this MAJOR issue should be "tabled" until after the election is to say that an election should be about personalities and fluf rather than about real issues. What could be a more significant issue than whether to continue in the search for Earth or settle on a new planet? The people's decision may have been wrong, but just as Adama was right when he chose democracy and the rule of law over corrupt politics, Baltar was right to reject Rosalyn's attempt to turn the election into a meaningless popularity contest.
 

This post has been removed by a blog administrator.
 

"Rosalyn was right, making this decision during an election was a very bad idea and Baltar knew that."

Wrong. Baltar is a "mad scientist" and a dishonest politician (as is Rosalyn, but for different reasons), but he was right to reject Rosalyn's overture. What is democracy all about if not to allow people to use the electoral process to express their preferences? To say this MAJOR issue should be "tabled" until after the election is to say that an election should be about personalities and fluf rather than about real issues. What could be a more significant issue than whether to continue in the search for Earth or settle on a new planet? The people's decision may have been wrong, but just as Adama was right when he chose democracy and the rule of law over corrupt politics, Baltar was right to reject Rosalyn's attempt to turn the election into a meaningless popularity contest.
 

I have to disagree here. The whole of society (BSG society) seems to have badly unwoven within a year. Just look at Baltar and his harem laying around a grounded Colonial One looking seriously stoned and over sexed while a good part of society seems to be being used as near-slave labor. I can't see Adama or the high counsel putting up with such behavior given how little provocation Adama needed in his first coup.
 

Am I the only one who remembers when Caprica was attacked? Baltar was with his favorite Cylon when the blast hit them both. The next thing he remembers he is trying to get off the planet. I think that the real Baltar died in the blast and was replaced by a Cylon copy. He just does not know it like other Cylons. Now that the Cylons have captured the human survivors, he may or may not realise it.